>The Jesus Discovery

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In a previous post, Jesus Christ, Ph.D., I offered some of my views on a review of the book, The Jesus Discovery, by Adam Bradford. The web page of the Charlton and Blackheath Christian Fellowship has a brief note about the book:

In ‘The Jesus Discovery – Another Look At Christ’s Missing Years’, Dr A.T. Bradford takes an in-depth, fresh and original look at several first century manuscripts and arrives at a startling hypothesis for the identity of the man known as Jesus Christ, one completely in keeping with the Biblical texts but which elevates Christ to one of the highest places in Jewish first century life.

Dr Adam Bradford has been a member of Charlton and Blackheath Christian Fellowship for many years. His insightful Bible teaching is very popular in the fellowship. He has a gift of interpreting scripture in a clear and accessible way that enables his listeners to apply scriptural truths to their lives.

The Charlton and Blackheath Christian Fellowship also offers a link to a lecture by Bradford speaking about the Jesus described in his book.

Click here to listen to an interesting lecture introducing the Jesus of The Jesus Discovery.

Claude Mariottini
Professor of Old Testament
Northern Baptist Seminary

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  1. Anonymous says:

    >I listened to the lecture and I thought it was excellent and very thought-provoking. It certainly challenged some pre-conceived ideas that I have held as a Christian for many years, eg: Jesus not having long hair.Thank you Dr Mariottini and a blessed Easter to you all.

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  2. >Dear Friend,I thought the lecture was interesting. Although I did not agree with everything he said, the lecture was thought provoking.I also hope you had a blessed Easter.Claude Mariottini

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  3. mrG says:

    >Dr Bradford is not the first to put forth this image of Jesus; a very intriguing story appears (reposted) at Book of Thoth where Ralph Ellis offers evidence (Jesus, Last of the Pharaohs) that Joseph was a senior builder, that Mary was no ordinary girl but of 'royal' bloodlines, and that there had to be reason and means for Joseph and Mary to travel to egypt to enroll Jesus in the very best schools. The timeline Ellis draws is fascinating, and nearly complete, with only one real gap that needs to be accepted before we find Jesus as King of Kings in that he is of the royal bloodlines of all the 'world' empires, one rightful heir unifying Egypt, Rome, Persia and the Jews. Now that would really be a threat to the established authority!!

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  4. >MrG,Thank you for this information. I read the post about Jesus being the last of the Pharaohs and I have to say that the writer is very creative. His new book on Cleopatra reads like a work of fiction.Claude Mariottini

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  5. Anonymous says:

    >Hmmm. The Book of Thoth (perhaps that should be 'froth'?!) starts with Biblical information then seems to move into speculative fantasy. Bradford's thesis, on the other hand, starts with the little that the Scripture tells us about Joseph (a devout 'tekton') and then links this to Josephus' account of King Herod training 1000 Jewish priests as 'tektons' to build his Temple in 18BC. That would require the services, as trainers of Jewish 'tektons' (no one else would have been allowed on the sacred site), and being 'devout' would be a huge advantage for Joseph or any 'tekton' in a training relationship with the Judean elitist priests. That would perhaps then help explain how the 12 yesr old Jesus was cared for over the 5 days of parental separation recoreded in Luke chapter 2. Thank you Dr Mariottini for hosting this illuminative discussion!

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  6. >Dear Anonymous,The Book of Thoth and Mr. Bradford begin at the opposite ends of the issue and both of them come to conclusions that have no biblical support. Both views are just theories that cannot be demonstrated to be correct.As for the discussion, I invite others to join in a give their views on this issue.Claude Mariottini

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  7. Tim58 says:

    >I find it rather extraordinary that, having listened to the lecture, you can say that Dr Bradford's thesis offers no Biblical (or historical) evidence.The premise is, quite clearly, that given 10,000 skilled craftsmen were recruited from Judea to re-build the Temple in 20BC + onward, and also to train 1000Jewish priests to work as 'tektons', (Josephus) that there is a high likelihood, based on population statistics, that Joseph (a 'tekton') was one of those Herod recruited. How can you say that this has no biblical support, given the number of 'tekton' type remarks, especially alluding to the Temple, that our Lord made?Are you not aware, as an Old Testament Professor, of Rabbi Shammai, and that he was both a Sanhedrin president and also a 'carpenter' ; 'builder', 'architect' – ie a 'tekton' himself? This establishes historic and Biblical precedent for both Joseph and Jesus holding the same role as teachers of the Law and architects. There is not one shred of Biblical evidence to support the allegation that Joseph was an uneducated man, and you have not provided any. It would appear that Dr Bradford has provided evidence that Joseph was educated – the description of 'devout' used by St Matthew (1:19) indicates one who knew the Law in depth – ie a learned person.

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  8. Anonymous says:

    >This all seems very unlikely. Matthew tells us; 'Coming to his hometown, he began teaching the people in their synagogue, and they were amazed. “Where did this man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers?” they asked. “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? Aren’t all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” (Mt 13:54-56)Clearly they knew the family well. Why would they be surprised at the 'Chief Rabbi of Judea' speaking with wisdom, or wonder where a formally trained 'Doctor of the Law' got all these things?As to Joseph's wealth, we just can't tell. Were the Magi filthy rich or did the trip cost them their life savings? Besides that was 30 years before and Joseph had a large family to take care of, including at least 4 daughters to provide dowry's for. What 'devout' means depends on who says it. I serously doubt the gospel writers were repeating the Pharisees' view of Joseph. Folk like Simeon and Anna had their own view. I have known some VERY devout people who were very poorly educated in the worldly sense.Tekton does mean builder, but today, at least, anyone who works in construction can be called a 'builder' – it doesn't make them an architect = chief builder.Sounds to me like Dr Bradford has let his imagination run away with him.Hugh

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  9. >Hugh,Thank you for your thoughtful comment. Your argument has been my argument from the beginning. There is no evidence in the Bible and outside the Bible that can justify Bradford's view. Like you said, this is just the work of a creative imagination.Thank you for visiting my blog.Claude Mariottini

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  10. Anonymous says:

    >Dear Hugh,The word fre 'devout' in Matthew 1:19 is 'dikaois', meaning 'righteous', meaning one who kept the Law. That would indicate an in-depth knowledge of the Mishnah, indicating a substantial element of education. In addition, Joseph's son James in called 'James the Just' in antiquity and Christian tradition, which lends support to the view that Joseph was 'a Just'. There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate he was uneducated. If you bothered to listen to the mp3, or, as I have done, read the book, you would have learned that Herod had 1000 priests trained as 'tektons' to re-build the Temple. It was a highly skilled occupation – Herod's Temple was one of the wonders of the world. Those tektons would have had to be Jewish to be on site. Additionally, Rabbi Shammai was both a learned theologian and a tekton, establishing a precedent for Joseph to have been both a religious scholar amd a tekton.Finally, these Magi had the ability to trouble not only Herod but 'the whole populace of Jerusalem' – they don't sound the sort of impoverished folk that you suggest, and the gifts they gave were extremely valuable. So unless they only gace a few coins and a few drops of frankincense, they were significant gifts. For 'imagination', try reading 'insightful'.

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  11. Anonymous says:

    >We are told in the Bible a number of times that Jesus was from a rich family in that it says 'though he was rich, yet he became poor'.Why do we keep ignoring this?It is telling us that he gave up all his wealth for the sake of the Gospel and encourages others to do the same. As for the visit by the rich man who was given this advice, Jesus was very sad because he loved this person who could not give up his wealth. A rich close relative perhaps?

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  12. >Dear Friend,The Bible is clear: "He became poor." To say that he was rich is to reject the clear teaching of Scriptures.Claude Mariottini

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